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Posted: 07/09/2012 2:18 pm

We have a real problem with taxation in this country. We don't want it. It's in our DNA. We went to war with England over it. The English felt we should contribute to their war chest, having fought to protect the colonies in the French and Indian War. England footed the bill and Parliament tried to impose the Townshend Duties to get out of debt. We said no!!!! The Crown said fine, you only have to pay tax on tea instead of numerous other commodities like paint, glass, and paper. We said no!!! They said it was only fair to pay a small amount. We said no... They said the cost of tea would actually decline! The tea tax would only threaten smugglers and Colonial middlemen. We said no tax. And a revolution was born. No taxation without representation we said.

Now the rallying cry is no taxation, period. We don't care what it is. We don't want any taxation. Grover Norquist makes a living getting Congress to sign a loyalty oath that basically says they are opposed to any tax regardless of its consequence. No matter how important or dire the situation may be... it doesn't matter. A loyalty oath must be signed.

But to who are we being loyal?

Our roads and bridges are crumbling. Everyone acknowledges that our infrastructure is in a state of total neglect. We're cutting back on fire fighters because it's too expensive. We're cutting back on police forces because it's too expensive. We're eliminating libraries because it's too expensive. We're cutting back on those who fight forest fires. We're cutting back on science programs. We're even thinking of getting rid of the U.S. Mail because it is too expensive. And that's just the short list.

The problem is you have to raise taxes or create some type of revenue to pay for these services. But, too often, creating revenue is still referred to as some form of a tax. It's a hidden tax, to their way of thinking. It could be local, state, or federal tax. We don't want it.

Picture this scene -- a young boy or girl in some small town, or a city for that matter, walks up the steps to the public library and it is closed. Closed because they cannot afford to keep it open. The wealthiest nation on the face of the earth cannot afford to keep a library open. Explain that to this young boy or girl.

The Health Care law that was upheld by the Supreme Court recently has struck fear for many in this county. "It's a tax" is the human cry. Health care is a tax! Panic! Never mind that our whole nation can now be covered by a health plan, making us the 33rd of the 33 developed nations in the world to provide universal health care. Never mind that everyone can no longer be denied an insurance policy because of a pre-existing illness... or that no one can be forced into bankruptcy because of medical debt. Never mind that sons and daughters can now be included in a family health plan for an extended period. They don't care. It's a tax! It is treason. Tyranny! Even if it is taxation with representation.

Still, it is heresy.

The English may have been right. We are an ungrateful lot.

 
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We have a real problem with taxation in this country. We don't want it. It's in our DNA. We went to war with England over it. The English felt we should contribute to their war chest, having fought to...
We have a real problem with taxation in this country. We don't want it. It's in our DNA. We went to war with England over it. The English felt we should contribute to their war chest, having fought to...
 
 
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Mike Cofta
10:50 PM on 07/15/2012
Hey, Barry.....you left out the part about the UNSUSTAINABLE benefit and wage structures that are a large part of why "little Billie" found his library locked. You also forgot to "spotlight" the poor saps that were literally taxed out of their homes to bankroll the Govt. largesse. The author "hobbles" himself with his own politics.
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whataruckus2
"Mr. Ryan keep your hands off my Medicare" - Ayn R
06:55 PM on 07/15/2012
We need to start thinking of taxing as more of a fee to provide services that we all depend on. Paved roads, bridges, libraries, lighted streets at night, military to protect our country, national guard to help citizens in an emergency, the Center for Disease Control and much much more that we don't think about. Think about a country with no paved roads, running water, open sewers, no police or fireman to protect you and no system of courts to provide adequate legal protections. That would be the U.S. without taxes, much like Nigeria, Bengle Desh, Pakistan, India and large parts of South and Central America. I don't hear of droves of Americans wanting to emmigrate to countries like those.
01:52 PM on 07/15/2012
If tax revenue, in any form, was not used to pay an increasingly growing and huge group of government workers there would be more than enough money to fix infrastructure, maybe even healthcare, which we all know is a completely unfunded endeavor.
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littleolwinemakerme
Put A Cork In It!
05:23 PM on 07/15/2012
The number of government employees has plummeted in the last few years.
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Exfl
A centrist until the center moved.
08:51 PM on 07/15/2012
Don't confuse a rightie with facts when he/she is on a rant.
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Mike Cofta
10:50 PM on 07/15/2012
...and should continue to...
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10:25 PM on 07/15/2012
Perhaps we would all be better off if you and the other sound bite stupids like you quit using "government worker" as a synonym for boogyman. Spend some time actually thinking about constructing a meaningful (fact supported) arguement. Name particular jobs which need to be eliminated, explain how much money would be saved, and tell whose lives will be impacted by the loss of those services.
01:53 PM on 07/16/2012
What would you like to be called?  Is that not politically correct or something?  The fundamental problem here is that the country is overrun with government organizations that are not efficient.  I should know I used to be employed by one.  When it comes to government they simply can't accomplish tasks on a huge scale anywhere near efficiently.  If you want socialism move to europe.  I hear France is great.  Otherwise realize that liberalism is a by product of capitalism's freedoms and abandoning what we have thus far created would be a huge mistake that I fear greatly.
11:24 AM on 07/15/2012
Your whole first paragraph seems to want to support your pronouncement that being against taxation is in our DNA. Then, only at the very end do you mention "taxation without representation". I think that not being represented, and without a say in our affairs, had more to do with why we were irritated. But aside from that, let me suggest something that is even more in our DNA, and the DNA of all humans: the ability to FEAR. Most human activity is fear-based. Even when you try to avoid doing something minor, that is fear making you behave that way. The Republicans have been successful because playing on the people's fear is what they do best, and more than anything else. They foist upon the public the idea that everything the other side does is to be feared: taxes, the health care bill; even this talk about "apologizing" is supposed to scare you. Of course, when a Republican is President, all of the same things are taking place, but they tell you "the sun is coming up". Maybe next on the list for what's built into our DNA is GULLIBILITY.
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bookmanjb
11:21 AM on 07/15/2012
Here in Germany, to where I moved from the US 8 years ago, there is no question about this issue and has not been for decades. Here we have what amounts to a PRIVATE option. That's right, everyone is mandated to pay into the system but one has the right to opt out of the system and buy one's own insurance, which is what I do. Here's what I get: 90% of the first 4000 euros and then 100% thereafter, including dental!!!--NO DEDUCTIBLE. One pair of glasses every two years, unless my prescription changes, in which case, another pair as needed. Semi-private room for hospitalization. I choose any doctors I want. My daughter is named on my policy and receives the same 90%/100% deal. If I make no claims in a calendar year, I get a 25% refund of my annual premium cost. That's right; the insurance companies incentivize wellness BECAUSE IT INCREASES THEIR PROFITS. All of this costs me less than 25% of what the same coverage (if it were available) would cost me in the States. Doctors & insurance company execs earn upper-middle class incomes and occasionally become rich. The quality of the care is excellent. And oh, I forgot to mention my wife. She is publicly insured. Her publicly mandated payments are 149 euros per month and she pays ten euros per doctor per quarter.

I sure wish I was back in the States so I could have my freedoms and liberties back.
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Tejascc
So Blue in a Red State
09:38 AM on 07/15/2012
Our major complaint about England was taxaiton without representation. The colonists had no say in how they were governed. Today we have the same problem. Most Americans pay their taxes but have little say in how we are governed. Only the special interest groups have a say, not the citizens. Congress does nothing for the average American so why should we pay taxes. The corporations and the wealthy pay little or no taxes but get all the representation. It's a topsy turvy world.
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whataruckus2
"Mr. Ryan keep your hands off my Medicare" - Ayn R
06:36 PM on 07/15/2012
A big problem is that most Americans make poor choices in choosing their elected representatives. Time and time again they are swayed by social issues and vote against their own interests. We need to end citizens united which promotes politicians who only work for corporate interests and the wealthy.
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DWAYNE CORREA
Eh heh...oh.
05:59 AM on 07/15/2012
Wha-ha what? Take back the trillions that the international banksters stole from us, that our gov't - to whom we pay taxes - gave away. Now they want more. As rejoyce5 asks: "When will the increases ever end?" Answer: they will not end until We The People stop paying the gangsters that are now running this beleaguered nation.
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rejoyce5
02:00 AM on 07/15/2012
The problem is there is too much tax now. I feel i pay plenty. When will the increases ever end? Let the government work with what they have. Make cuts. How about starting with money we give to Egypt. I think its a billion. Really? We need that here.
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Mikel Moore
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12:03 PM on 07/15/2012
Foreign aid is a minuscule portion of the budget and eliminating it would have little effect on the budget deficit, but it would cost us considerable international goodwill, which is much cheaper than war.

Given that the last time the tax to GDP ratio was this low was just prior to the Crash of '29, and is in fact lower than the ratio at the end of Reagan's Presidency, your feelings do not match reality.
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Jeff Wolverton
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05:24 PM on 07/15/2012
>> "The problem is there is too much tax now. I feel i pay plenty."

Not sure why you would think there is "too much tax now" since (unless you're an extremely rare case) you pay less taxes now than you have at any time in the past 30 years.

Here's the full scoop: http://factcheck.org/2012/07/tax-facts-lowest-rates-in-30-years/
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jwl3ss
01:04 AM on 07/15/2012
This guy makes it seem as if people pay no taxes, or minimal taxes, or taxes well below what people can afford. People pay city taxes, state taxes, federal taxes, hospitalization, social security,union dues, and sales tax. Taxes are paid on cell phone use, cable & satellite, gasoline, groceries, clothes and merchandise, major purchases such as cars and boats. Costs constantly go up on tuition, electric, property taxes, car and property insuance, some investments, pest control, and utilities. If you can think of it, we're probably paying tax on it somewhere or another. Hell, when you die, you're taxed with estate taxes. Now you'll be taxed on health care.

Look, people pay taxes, and it costs quite a bit to live (let alone comfortably), but this guy Barry must have eaten some bad ham which has negatively affected his thinking. No one minds paying his or her fair share but people pay enough. Keep taxing people and it eats considerably into their disposable income or what little they have left of it.

The real emphasis should be on government better managing the money we already pay them, not digging haphazardly into our pockets for more.
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Mikel Moore
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12:07 PM on 07/15/2012
Union dues are not a tax.

The ratio of all combined taxes to the GDP is lower today than it was when Reagan left office, making your argument weak.
07:41 PM on 07/12/2012
Comparing this to a tax seems a bit disingenuous. I'm very concerned that the Health Care Law as written is going to be another industrial military complex beast. I have mixed feelings on this issue. Eliminating pre-existing condition restrictions is probably the most appealing item. How can the government/tax payers afford to pay for this on top of paying off the deficit?

The price of health care services continue to increase but the plan does not address key factors. As I understand it, there is no cap on profiteering, no negotiation of drug pricing, no establishment of a universal coding system which would allow detection and elimination of fraud and streamline services and billing etc.
06:12 AM on 07/15/2012
Our health care system was already another "industrial military complex beast" where every year insurance premiums for the healthy continued to increase by 30% or more.

The quality of our medical care has gone right down the tubes as most doctors don't even see you and instead fob you off on the Physician's Assistant or practical nurse.

Basically, the unregulated health system has for years operated like you paying the mob.

Every month you get "shook down" and have to pay for "protection" to keep the sword of Damocles off your neck.
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Mikel Moore
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12:18 PM on 07/15/2012
Well, the PPACA caps the margins of the insurance companies and if they do not meet the defined ratio of medical payments to collected revenue, they have to refund premiums. There's your profiteering issue.

The PPACA also pushes the move to electronic, shared medical records. There's your fraud and billing issue. All my doctors are upgrading their systems or in the process of doing so to comply.

No, it doesn't address drug pricing, but that's the deal with the devil made to get the pharmaceuticals to sit on the sidelines during the debate. This is primarily insurance reform.

CBO analysis consistently shows this bill will long haul reduce the deficit.

Health Care was granted an antitrust exemption in 1948, so not only is it a complex, it is a legal monopoly.
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parlimentMike
It's not un-American to investigate 4 crimes.
01:01 PM on 07/10/2012
When we talk about revenues without considering the actual Gorilla that's hijacked our Treasury: the military industrial complex who are diverting our money from People service to People surveillance and destruction efforts, we participate in our own misdirection. Who paid for the falsified attack on the Pentagon on 9/11? There's nobody outside our borders we require as much defense against as some of those within.
12:21 PM on 07/10/2012
A few rich people buying the elections and policy means no representation too.

Taxation for their representation is what we have.

The author overstates the health care benefits. 50 million remain uninsured. Premiums can be raised beyond affordable for those with preexisting conditions. Hospitals continue to sue causing bankruptcies and foreclosures, deductibles and copayments make access to care unaffordable, and on and on.

I wish we had universal coverage, but it just ain't so.

The last thing we need is people claiming "problem solved".
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Mountain Man
12:12 PM on 07/10/2012
Ayn Rand had a plan....Get rid of all taxes and anything they pay for...
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IOKIYANO
03:50 PM on 07/10/2012
Go start your own country. That's not how we do it here.
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Mikel Moore
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12:22 PM on 07/15/2012
Too bad she used the most notorious serial killer of her time as the character model to elucidate her position.
11:36 AM on 07/10/2012
" Grover Norquist makes a living getting Congress to sign a loyalty oath that basically says they are opposed to any tax regardless of its consequence."
FALSE!! The Pledge is about tax INCREASES. Barry, did you think you could get away with that??

From Wikipedia:
Since 1986, ATR has sponsored the "Taxpayer Protection Pledge", a written promise by legislators and candidates for office that commits them to oppose tax increases. There are separate versions at the national and state level.[3][4]

In the version for the U.S. House of Representatives, the signer pledges to:[5]
ONE, oppose any and all efforts to increase the marginal income tax rates for individuals and/or businesses; and
TWO, oppose any net reduction or elimination of deductions and credits, unless matched dollar for dollar by further reducing tax rates.

In the version for state legislators, the signer pledges that:[6]
I will oppose and vote against any and all efforts to increase taxes.
07:56 AM on 07/10/2012
What we're witnessing is the triumph of "screw you, I've got mine" culture. Speaker of the House John Boehner was quoted over the weekend as saying the U.S. has the "best health system in the world." It's easy to understand Boehner's claim as he's covered by the 'Cadillac' of all health care plans - the one extended at taxpayer expense to members of Congress. With that plan, he'll never be denied coverage for excessive risk due to his years of tobacco use. No problem, Congressman, we'll cover it. Light up another.
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Kyrani99
that Eternal Flame is the source of my shrine
11:23 AM on 07/10/2012
Man go to the ultimate level! The "screw you, I've got mine" culture can work brilliantly, but you got to know how the games are played (here have a look http://kyrani99.wordpress.com/). When you know you got no problems, you don't need them anymore.
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IOKIYANO
01:25 PM on 07/10/2012
Thanks for the link, Kyrani. I'll read it carefully. I believe as you do that our ills are largely because we don't live the way our ancient ancestors lived. However, as a rule, I think we do live longer, and we make it further with our own teeth. That's not a bad trade-off, but there's much room for improvement when we understand why we get sick.

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